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Michael Heath, cartoonist, is interviewed by Kirsty Young for Desert Island Discs.
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🔗 and let the old British name down you see. Do you think I mean just finally.
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🔗 In three causes a novice morning.
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🔗 and then on to New York
🔗 but first we abandon the knife the desert island living his casea the you
🔗 with the you
🔗 know the all
🔗 my custom way this week is the cartoonist Michael Heath for sixty years his
🔗 sharpened NIB an equally pointed wit of satirize the bunches hypocritical
🔗 and contradictory behavior of well all of us High Court judges punk rockers school
🔗 children politicians young men shopkeepers city gents hipsters all have at one time
🔗 or another been skewered by the P.C. Concision of his pen.
🔗 He's brought humor to the pages a virtually every British newspaper there is
🔗 and he's country cartoon editor of The Spectator born in the mid one nine hundred
🔗 thirty S.
🔗 His schooling throughout the war years was virtually nonexistent by the age of
🔗 twelve he still couldn't read and write
🔗 and as a student he claims to have hated every minute of art college
🔗 but the fact remains that it was drawing
🔗 that ended up connecting him to the rest of the world.
🔗 He says the idea of being a cartoonist came because I could draw silly things I
🔗 couldn't read or write
🔗 but I could communicate with cartoons so welcome Michel he sounded.
🔗 In the middle of that introduction if you want to contradict me.
🔗 Now you know you're completely correct.
🔗 The reason I did draw I suppose it was because that I really couldn't read
🔗 or write
🔗 and I could sort of scribble little drawings darn nice sort of want to do that.
🔗 My father was a cartoonist of children's comics from foreign radio fun.
🔗 They were humorous carboys Indians and detective stories and things like that
🔗 and he hated every moment of it.
🔗 He was a teacher once upon a time but he gave it up and became.
🔗 An illustrator of children's comics which paid much better than being a teacher.
🔗 So I think before the war he was earning up to thirty pounds a week
🔗 when the average wages were out for us but he learnt to hate it
🔗 and they worked him into the ground.
🔗 The only reason I bring this up is because I was surrounded by people.
🔗 My mother could draw to obliterate little drawings from Jakarta
🔗 and the way they talked about their work at the way he hated it
🔗 and it ruined his life he thought the last thing I should have become was
🔗 when I became a cartoonist we're living in a particularly tumultuous
🔗 and fascinating time politically and I guess
🔗 that makes for very rich pickings for a cartoon what it does.
🔗 And this is the one of the moment because you're going through all this nonsense of
🔗 changing government and all the rest of it and then it goes all around
🔗 and they take over everything and the air goes out of everything
🔗 and there's nothing else.
🔗 And there's no action and you know well the show in town of politicians
🔗 and I'm not mad about being a political cartoonist I do sort of everything satirize
🔗 if you are not sure about the word even satire The thing is
🔗 that I draw what I see around me and I never thought of
🔗 that is particularly clever thing to do but I thought it was a way
🔗 that your will draw it wouldn't date.
🔗 So if you got the hair right the clothes right on people
🔗 or whatever then you wouldn't date. If I may say so yourself.
🔗 Don't appear to have dated I knew from my notes
🔗 that you were born in one hundred thirty five eighty you walked in here today if
🔗 anybody at us now would have said top's sixty two years old you look very confident.
🔗 How can I answer that said yes I.
🔗 Nanda for you know I've got wonderful scared
🔗 when I'm actually talking about what you're waiting you all by wearing Oh I saw
🔗 that man go as a desperate attempt to see beyond tragic and well it's working.
🔗 I haven't had a fight not the tragic the yard.
🔗 What are we going to hear
🔗 and why features in this track number one I was working a dodgy fifty three try to
🔗 be an animator in jail for right next studios and I want to be an animator
🔗 and I want to do I know my things like Bambi are supposed to like a way I was at a
🔗 meeting at the expense at twenty four drawings per second of movement. I hated it.
🔗 And the man in charge of the place was remarked on one leg an American guy man who
🔗 changed a lot
🔗 and he came into the studio one day from this record out Meadows just to see E.P.
🔗 I think and I took it home and put it on my dad's that record player
🔗 and my head of which I still have.
🔗 A show called Enough to say it's not a wig store
🔗 and I really was flipped as a allows But you know to my oh wow.
🔗 And I thought slowness Monk was the greatest thing I've heard more drawn i Phone I
🔗 had heard lots of views
🔗 who's out
🔗 news of who's
🔗 who's who's
🔗 now who's out with
🔗 and who the the
🔗 and who's the
🔗 vet who's out who to
🔗 lose with
🔗 whom to
🔗 lose the
🔗 crisscross played by Linnaeus Monk on piano with Art Blakey know Jackson
🔗 and the Cape and so he she how you said Michael.
🔗 He thought that made the hairs on the back of your necks stand up on end
🔗 when you had to sit still.
🔗 While I played him pretty well every day since then I loved it so much about I
🔗 thought I'd draw like that and I thought that I could do
🔗 that somehow keep the drawings fresh
🔗 and remember the track then lost in three minutes.
🔗 So you're in and out of the record later on became ill peas
🔗 and they were on forever and just became boring and then became I don't.
🔗 God jazz which felt like of foreign a pet shop music.
🔗 And you could not copy him and I thought that was something.
🔗 Is it your aim
🔗 when they look at a piece of one of your cartoons is it your aim to make them laugh
🔗 I load and move on swiftly or do you want to smile and think I will try to buy it.
🔗 I have no idea.
🔗 Other than the fact that I have a morbid fear of the boring one witless
🔗 and hopefully they will get the joke pretty recently twenty fifteen there was the
🔗 appalling instant in the French satirical magazine Charlie Abdu.
🔗 Twelve people were killed targeted because of the cartoons
🔗 that were being drawn by the magazine the thinking the Prophet Mohammed.
🔗 How much do you think cartoonist should be concerned about offending people
🔗 sensibilities was limited what you can do. I mean now if you can't draw.
🔗 Certain things her
🔗 and you can be killed by time it adds a certain Frisian to your drawing.
🔗 However I'm not that sort of cartoonist.
🔗 I try to keep you amused like laughing or telling jokes the air raid shelter.
🔗 Are there for example areas
🔗 that you would not stray into you think I don't want to cover this or
🔗 that with my drawings of you've been told to cover because they might offend people
🔗 you know there are cartoonists not necessarily guys who want to be funny
🔗 but the idea is you should upset people whole thing about political cartoon is a
🔗 should be so outrageous
🔗 that every woman no questions in the House about the drawing yesterday in The
🔗 Guardian Oh what about that was not my thing.
🔗 I copped out I wanted to be what I am or just. My funny.
🔗 Funny is now dangerous
🔗 and is going to be careful what you do because a whole groups of people who take
🔗 offense all the time they looked like wish to take theirs
🔗 and they take offense at whatever you do so then are you.
🔗 Careful not to do it you know why do it.
🔗 I really do it but they don't get it so it doesn't matter. That's my music.
🔗 Michael he's tell me but your second one.
🔗 What are we going to hear is does these rules
🔗 but Pelle does a brilliant Vienna's technically to reflect an amazing and mad.
🔗 Unfortunately and driven that way by heroines much of the work of that period.
🔗 I saw him once I went to Paris and saw him and he sat on the curb barren
🔗 and didn't move at all. Didn't play.
🔗 There's a bass player or a drama and they put on a light over him
🔗 and turned it on and off he started playing at it.
🔗 That doesn't if you're depressed or hitting sad
🔗 or whatever it is put him on powers as a bomb and it killed him doing it.
🔗 I mean the guys did this sort of thing. Invariably blew themselves away.
🔗 Let alone us these people is by me to carry on. Churning out drawing but I.
🔗 I mean as I wait for just a heart cartoonist who happens to still be alive and him.
🔗 Well which cartooning is
🔗 and Australia's I think as
🔗 dozens of the infidels played by Bud Powell a company that bypassed Heath
🔗 and Kenny Clarke
🔗 and so Michael Heath you were born in London unlikely as it may seem in one
🔗 thousand. Thirty five. What are your earliest childhood memories.
🔗 By a sort of back up until the war starts really I can't remember much about it
🔗 that we did live in Hampstead row museum St I was a Londoner born the sound of
🔗 both bells worries was due
🔗 and your dad as you were mentioning your dad was an illustrated Yeah by father's up
🔗 stairs chewing the furniture because he doesn't like drawing cowboys
🔗 and Indians even though you're brilliant at it
🔗 and my mother was a mother a mother of nine thirty nine My mother's a disciple
🔗 and so is my father but I had no relationship my parents at all and
🔗 that was normal. I gather.
🔗 I mean my father did not hug me we did all I five million did not get together
🔗 and go to out together
🔗 and laugh like drains watching whatever football sort of thrown out of the house at
🔗 eight in the morning and told to come back at six.
🔗 That's what it was
🔗 and can you tell me more about Huma You see she was a typical mother of you know of
🔗 the time as a disorder played the piano or ragtime
🔗 or I thought that's love it is'
🔗 and she thought if you did a few drawings a picture of R.
🔗 and Stopped and never drew a GED except your card for somebody or things like
🔗 that then she didn't do it.
🔗 But the house is full of pictures and you know the prints of Van Gough
🔗 and things like that
🔗 and my father's intellectual intellectuals as we really begin to happen at
🔗 that time were all communists Stalinists
🔗 and all hated Churchill would soon be odd to me but I didn't question it.
🔗 But living in Hampstead one came across all these intellectuals
🔗 and mean tweets suits open toed sandals and a beer pipe.
🔗 My father was in charge of the National Fire Service which meant
🔗 that he had together enough people locals around his neighbors to put out
🔗 incendiary bombs were dropped and you used to help in that
🔗 that didn't you know I did. Yes indeed I certainly bombs.
🔗 Were often dropped to load and didn't blow up
🔗 and just lying around all over Hampstead Heath and I was asked if I'd help out
🔗 and load them up in a pub at the bottom of down try.
🔗 And there one part up like milk bottles
🔗 and I used to go collect all these things
🔗 and carry them like milk bottles remember an old lady see me fainting over me
🔗 that I got by the road they pile up good and with no health and safety
🔗 and govern to it early war years to me I had some friends and all the rest.
🔗 It was from. Unfortunately it sounds awful but I mean it seem fun.
🔗 It's time for some amusing to tell me about your thought.
🔗 What are we going to hear. Well poor things up there.
🔗 We've heard some jazz of probably lying down or whatever it is
🔗 and then we'll hear a more jazz ever again.
🔗 So I'm playing what you might like a little better. That's the teddy bears picnic.
🔗 I said I didn't take to talk my parents and I not to me
🔗 and bitchin celebrate birthdays or Christmas or anything like that
🔗 or give presents to each other but I had a friend all the time about girl
🔗 that was really saved baby say right it was going on all the time
🔗 and gawd resort to it very Brant.
🔗 I thought is that he have a comedy program and follow it with Beethoven's fifth
🔗 or whatever in the children's programs which I used to hear.
🔗 Occasionally I thought it was because if you go down in the woods
🔗 or shore of a big if you go down in the woods
🔗 they called
🔗 David teddy bear to have their
🔗 a home.
🔗 a teddy bear who's been good to Shar of a tree doctor did you ever love Mama little
🔗 things to eat on one game to play beneath the trees where nobody sees no
🔗 hiding in the compound of babies and with the way that teddy bears have
🔗 that thing that was Teddy Bears picked up by zealous
🔗 and with Henry Hall and his orchestra you were laughing ruefully right back.
🔗 But I just figured I suppose over the children it was aimed up there of a youth
🔗 between whatever it was three
🔗 and eight wouldn't be the same children as they are now he said no Christmas
🔗 presents no Bessie for I mean your father was earning a living in
🔗 that part of the sort of communist ethos that you know don't bite.
🔗 I don't think he gave the same present form of every year didn't care of it gave
🔗 that reporter a revolver perfectly which he said was discussed
🔗 and he never heard that and what presents I was given that time said Teddy
🔗 or something like that or our train.
🔗 They were taken away from and given to the people next door or something.
🔗 Been bombed out or deed I didn't know my birthday
🔗 or what date it was on I wants out of school I was in for five minutes invited a
🔗 lot of kids in the school that I was in the classroom with.
🔗 I said to my birthday I was on such a date name as turn up with presents for them.
🔗 And when they turned up and it wasn't.
🔗 And they were sent away and.
🔗 I hid behind the settee as I mean tragicomic that story.
🔗 I mean you last thing I want to sort of set the date about as the tears of a cloud
🔗 as I can see that this is ghastly
🔗 but of course it may be does it not a ghastly sense that just as you mentioned
🔗 that your dad was an A R P Yeah the warden in Hampstead you had during the war also
🔗 been sent for TIME TO DEATH AND WE'RE grandmother that's because it was meant to be
🔗 safer the ass that goes I was evacuated I mean.
🔗 Not of the colorful way of standing around the box of the gas was going to the
🔗 street Waterloo Station where every was when I went to stay with my grandmother.
🔗 I was on the beach one did on the beach very difficult because they covered in
🔗 scaffolding and laid palms all over the road a place. This is in Devon.
🔗 Yes playschool talk crossed.
🔗 I climbed through the scaffolding and Bob was this lucky day
🔗 and I sat there Beach another few people around me.
🔗 Not a couple So Disney saw their planes coming towards us
🔗 and they said all the two of ours. They separated machine guns all.
🔗 And cannon fired us or and I didn't know anything other than to run.
🔗 So I got up rad and climbed to the bar while I scuffling and all this noise
🔗 or I couldn't figure it was like the shrapnel and the bomb place
🔗 and it was considered more dangerous to be in Devon than it was to be in London.
🔗 So I came back to London. Tell me about your next piece of music.
🔗 Michael Heath where on your fourth of the day I'll max min max min I've been in
🔗 nineteen forty seven.
🔗 My father the reasons are never quite understood dragged us all out of London took
🔗 us to live in Brighton.
🔗 We stayed now Brighton ninety forty seven was pretty well exactly as it is in
🔗 Graham Greene Brighton Rock and it was absolutely the most fantastic thing.
🔗 And the hotel was confronted town is just outrageous full of criminals on the run
🔗 from the police now days you get away from place you go to Rio I mean those days I
🔗 got to train Victoria I went to Brighton for fifteen shillings or return
🔗 and I would take to this club and I met all these criminals and strange men
🔗 and old women. Let's hear what is one thing I'm not about you.
🔗 You get what I get exactly why I feel like
🔗 I was in Delhi five weeks going down. Right.
🔗 Now when that warning goes not something.
🔗 Now coming out in the coming hours
🔗 that you say I was like I was running anybody day I was
🔗 by to blow
🔗 but yet I'm not getting any particular dropping the more I would like the more out
🔗 of like us
🔗 and we're just going to run again the street is you're the dog is not going to get
🔗 a free market where you go
🔗 and he said I'll give
🔗 them something I was
🔗 but I never slept all night my
🔗 one stayed in that's one house down the chain
🔗 that might work really well again each time I rang the mountain
🔗 and there we found the she brought might not turn up.
🔗 She took the bait my friend whom I don't know what I did all
🔗 that going on in a minute wait I see
🔗 that she held my hand he really was up you see he take you know I was getting
🔗 that why don't you go hog like I said I'm exactly.
🔗 Now you can show you how you're feeling here that you're all right now both you
🔗 and I mean anybody to get me
🔗 that was Max Miller the Finn's Republican pie in one hundred forty two.
🔗 Max in an air raid and I never slept a wink. Oh nice.
🔗 Michael Heath you were mentioning
🔗 that your father for as you say unknown reasons took the family to Brighton in one
🔗 nine hundred forty seven so much of your work is filled with this brilliant
🔗 luxurious detail the small bits of life.
🔗 If you were to pan a little cartoon snapshots of life in Brighton at
🔗 that time in the let's say the early fifty's what would be in this with the best of
🔗 people the criminals and the things they did to each other and. I mean I got a job.
🔗 Not a job but I'm sort of in the club there was a bit hole upstairs
🔗 and they gave me a shilling to go
🔗 and get their sandwiches because often they go into mammoth card games
🔗 or should last twenty four hours
🔗 and every on the need beat someone up you ended up art school when you
🔗 and I know you didn't lose every minute of it that you didn't work.
🔗 Irenaeus around talking about G.-D.
🔗 or Something and I wanted to garden I wanted to freelance and I did it.
🔗 There are grass freelancing there
🔗 and I saw my first drawing too many to make a magazine which is my generous thing
🔗 jazz magazine a very good one.
🔗 And I sent them some drawings and I sold them straight away. I was Roy.
🔗 I got two guineas.
🔗 I didn't do captions and I just did music drawings of Christmas cards
🔗 or something like that or indeed there was a funny office in London.
🔗 For Decca Records when the LP first came out and you sit in a room
🔗 and a guy would open a hole in the wall
🔗 and say Debussy anymore none of you about to appear so he took off our temp out
🔗 and I said Jazz anyone know if we're about jazz auto so.
🔗 OK time pass air is a good living.
🔗 You know it's not well it could it was a good living.
🔗 I mean and it's very good and then I eventually ended up at a magazine.
🔗 Newspaper once forgotten about the one Sunday Mirror
🔗 and I just recall now you know or never throw anything out make do mend
🔗 and then account for those of socks or white dogs
🔗 and then hug him up for Christmas or eat them boiled.
🔗 And I got ten pounds ten shillings for
🔗 that let's send someone music Michael he's Tell me what we're going to hear Knight
🔗 is your fifth track of the morning Jack. The cannon not jazz.
🔗 Honestly I swear to God that you probably leaving the room
🔗 but it's not jazz as a gentle kind of my I suppose as Britain's arts are to fit a
🔗 step. And these are pre-literate recordings that I've been listening to
🔗 and this one is one too and they have to project that was ours
🔗 and to sell a song and all of us that.
🔗 Renew the cheerful and. It's about traveling for God say well I'm in trouble.
🔗 You know this is about traveling in travelling in one hundred thirty two to know.
🔗 That hopefully you know about three people going to Paris.
🔗 Maybe about three quid or something like that and or sitting in one airplane
🔗 and being given cocktails and has a moment towards the sing.
🔗 or Charlie Chaplin role whatever on someone who has to entertain you are not good
🔗 But here's how we're in the
🔗 and I mean even
🔗 you think
🔗 a step
🔗 that began with the sound species orchestra director there by Thomas Tunbridge you
🔗 were well imbedded into Fleet Street Michael he spun the one nine hundred sixty S.
🔗 Working for punch the spectator private eye and so on.
🔗 You were also part of a rather is Lucia good word Soho drinking cry
🔗 that you know people like second by night in the scene for in foster care
🔗 and yes our little bit where I can do the drinking or drunk or drink the drink
🔗 or drinking whatever it is as I'd been in Brighton
🔗 and I met all these strange people all the balls you would call them.
🔗 And so I came across was introduced to Geoffrey Bernard who's a Rangers
🔗 and a wonderful writer for the spectator
🔗 and I got on the tree well whatever though it was outrageously rude
🔗 and so were all his friends but they were all witty an amusing and clever
🔗 and they all were brilliant painters Francis Bacon for instance and Lucien Freud
🔗 and all these other strange We've all of them had one of the call on how they had
🔗 something that you wanted to hear or pick up from and no one was last boast
🔗 and you must talk about money you don't or ever does or a drawing and rely on that.
🔗 You just sat down and or stood and listened to what they had say and numbers
🔗 and I mean just boom for is the most amazing thing about our prospects It was
🔗 frightening man about to come across and there was terrific.
🔗 Yes You once said it was like drinking with Panthers. Why.
🔗 Yeah not recite Arabica thing is yes.
🔗 Did you bother to wonder where the sort of self destructive in us
🔗 and the general destructiveness of
🔗 that group of people came from because it sounds like a very visceral environ Well
🔗 first thought the pubs closed too and then you went.
🔗 The corner room of drinking in the French or coach and horses and serve
🔗 and then went back to the pub whiskey with a drink of choice whiskey was the thing
🔗 then yeah we drank well Rod Carl was gay. The lots of it.
🔗 You stopped day with Geoffrey Bernard perhaps in the coach and horses
🔗 and what sort of time. Well.
🔗 Levon under it would be coughing something dreadful he smoking fifty
🔗 six years' service a day and all the rest of it
🔗 and drinking God knows what if you were in the pub eleven
🔗 when were you doing the cartooning when reading the drawing when I was drinking.
🔗 Both of you could you could be productive if I could drink and draw.
🔗 That's something the problem isn't it.
🔗 If one is still able to do one's work so I thought was really good of enough for
🔗 you draw fearlessly when you're drunk or half drunk
🔗 and then you sort of give your sort of wishes you designed the set for Keith
🔗 Waterhouse's place as well as an artisan Well I mean that was a terrific
🔗 and huge hits
🔗 and as you say he was doing this weekly column called low life things which
🔗 Jonathan means the cultural commentator once said was a suicide note in a weekly
🔗 installment correct yeah that's right by your estimation.
🔗 I was accused of not having Jeffrey would say guts. You've got no guts.
🔗 Gottesman drinking. Continually I mean you know stopping.
🔗 Every day all day until he dropped whatever serious drinking.
🔗 I mean I always said no I made my excuses and left.
🔗 I was a coward I never went off I went off to work. I never wanted to die of it.
🔗 Let's have some more music.
🔗 Michael he's Tell me about what we're going to hear next it's just six of the day.
🔗 So this is one of the many brilliant recordings that labor
🔗 but Alan it's all the things you are just a messy hole
🔗 but pal Max Roach Charlie Parker
🔗 and why do you like it because you can't repeat it.
🔗 Nobody else can do it nobody could do it. These members so brilliant.
🔗 They played everywhere else.
🔗 Stages you couldn't play like any of
🔗 the things you are Dizzy Gillespie Charles Mingus Tony Parker but Powell
🔗 and Max Roach Michael he once is a modest cotton of a manager bossing to women.
🔗 He's chatting up. Do I know you from somewhere
🔗 and she says we were married for five. Yes there was lots of them.
🔗 Yes jokes about marriage and the rest of it
🔗 and I did this the Guardian buildings you know the early eighty's you had
🔗 that cartoon strip called Lovell God God yes it was darkly humorous doesn't really
🔗 qualify. Well I think better than two.
🔗 Racked with guilt I say it would be fair to conclude
🔗 that you are not a romantic Mr Magic Man you ever met in your life is
🔗 that a complete software completely absolutely certifiably mentally Saki if you
🔗 show me to Bambi I'm not the floor sobbing I Dido I don't know if you're talking
🔗 with me now is this true.
🔗 I know you're in absolutely the truth and so you've been married twice.
🔗 Yes indeed twice a long time.
🔗 Well yes
🔗 but I mean now it's heroic I mean a long time I'm in Maryland twenty four years
🔗 first one. I think in eighteen years Ellman
🔗 and one of the middle one didn't marry so long marriages.
🔗 I mean you said you're a man tick you've said your new rhotic did worked tend to
🔗 always take precedence over carefully phrased writhing is the first of all women
🔗 may become trying to do because you make them last.
🔗 And they say oh and of his droids All right.
🔗 You didn't realise what mother I mean you get married to them just as I won't
🔗 destroy by far I've got to do it by five
🔗 and they said I thought we were going out the C.S.
🔗 or Some are whatever it is I don't do the drawing going to dinner I said well what
🔗 if you ring the editor up
🔗 and say you haven't got time you're going out in the most unreasonable idea.
🔗 Well it's no
🔗 but I've been there three people our marriage with a cartoonist a cartoon is not
🔗 funny necessarily you know they're all giggling
🔗 or laughing I mean the sad side of it.
🔗 The depression side of it because I don't think there's any fun without you being
🔗 So I don't you know the difference between the two I mean depression is the
🔗 oversight of people giggling all the time of course everybody is familiar with the
🔗 idea that we have you know professional obligations but there for everybody.
🔗 There's a choice to be made.
🔗 You know you might say Well actually today is the day that I do for the at home.
🔗 I mean you know I got I was driven darling.
🔗 You know if I was a composer of I was sorta coverture or whatever on a limb
🔗 or allow me to go up there and hammer away and conduct a huge orchestra misdeeds
🔗 and God knows what else and that and they would naturally assume that
🔗 that came first and you are the greatest composer of all so I'm I'm a conductor
🔗 or great artist Francis autonomic I mean you know I'm not an artist.
🔗 I'm caught Ernest and I'd rather angry about
🔗 that because if I played my culture I wouldn't have to think of these damned ideas
🔗 all the time because every day is like going in for a competition when a
🔗 when if I become a contemporary British artist I would never do anything to blank
🔗 canvas off and then rude word in New York written backwards it was it's stunning.
🔗 I get the feeling
🔗 that Michael Heath on contemporary art might be a whole new series not a drink.
🔗 We have time for and by them.
🔗 You could understand I don't go to law for sneer at them.
🔗 I wish I was well tell me about your next piece of music. We're on your seventh.
🔗 Michael he's funny face first his Psystar.
🔗 Is rather like separate can record much the same time
🔗 when you have to shout into a tube to get yourself heard
🔗 or know show like record and that adds to be something about it.
🔗 It's like you've got no chance of retakes or anything like
🔗 that you've got to do it in three minutes out and Fred Astaire's full of beans
🔗 and excitement I defy you not to feel happier if you heard funny face.
🔗 Frankie your birthday gift revealed to me
🔗 that I was your really not all band
🔗 and Empire had your money made up you know me please don't think I'm suddenly gone
🔗 now you have all of our knees up me her prayers.
🔗 I got mommy All right.
🔗 Why no we can't I love your mummy
🔗 your motherly motherly
🔗 air the ALL YOUR around you. Week.
🔗 Well you got
🔗 a room of the your no glory
🔗 in the OR
🔗 was funny face by George
🔗 and Ira Gershwin song there by friend a dentist a I was Julian Jaynes
🔗 and his orchestra.
🔗 Michael he's hesitant to call a body of work
🔗 and yes it is an anomaly hesitant because you yourself have said well I'm just a
🔗 hack cartoonist who happens to be alive which is to rather under play the whole
🔗 thing. There's no other way.
🔗 I'm working for newspapers of a didn't work at great speed
🔗 and also because even so you had to be on the ball and know what you were doing
🔗 and that Hunter go back and look at it you leaf through the old you know I don't.
🔗 Doesn't the fact that I do like what I did but I didn't like doing what I did it
🔗 and I don't like what I do now would I do it but if I look at it six months
🔗 or our six years now.
🔗 I think my God I wish I could drop
🔗 that now cartooning of course has always relied on print as a medium.
🔗 It is not a declining medium do you think that is a danger
🔗 that as print as a medium declines we will see the decline of of consciousness.
🔗 Yeah I mean that is true because. If you want to save money.
🔗 Get rid of cartoons quite easily because I never come out of a hole in the wall.
🔗 I stayed home and joined out and I want to say what are you doing.
🔗 Boring jobs are about the fact is
🔗 that there are no cartoons in newspapers as they want swirl the any cartoon
🔗 that exists healthily as political cartoonists
🔗 and all the broad sheets have a political cartoonist you go into the office five
🔗 days a week is
🔗 that I suspect you know what I did work at home I would recommend it.
🔗 Why you go into the office now what is it about that is
🔗 that a creative environment is it contact with other people that
🔗 when I come across other people.
🔗 I've been chatting on the reset
🔗 and I pick up on things very quickly also stimulates me
🔗 and going to work stimulates me makes me very angry being on the underground me
🔗 would brew people with us and I'm game.
🔗 I say OK I put in a drawing you know and I get my have
🔗 that done to me like you might actually quite like being alone on an island because
🔗 of course I'm going to cost you way quite like the idea.
🔗 I quite like it I guess because you know I'm used to being on my own and
🔗 when you divorce you're living in orrible rooms and owners to Britain.
🔗 I have a friend a dog has been with me all the time Charlie Charlie Parker.
🔗 Can I take the dog and that does all of this we will come to know other friends
🔗 and family about your final piece of music. What are we going to hear.
🔗 Now what's your track. We've got some more jazz here. And Charlie Parker.
🔗 That's my dog and I just love this record.
🔗 There are thousands of tracks that I'd love to have played and bored rigid with
🔗 and I love this one
🔗 and it's love of my Charlie Parker who's it
🔗 who's a hoot who's
🔗 who's What
🔗 It was a treat.
🔗 Eight eight eight eight doubt he
🔗 here at the
🔗 and it will become a he becomes
🔗 a coke at
🔗 age eight he has
🔗 a show
🔗 on which
🔗 the that was love
🔗 and played by Charlie partner composed by the Chad Rogers
🔗 and Lauren's heart it comes to the point Michael
🔗 when I give you some books you get the Bible
🔗 and the complete works of Shakespeare and you guessed it.
🔗 One other book along with them. What's your book going to be.
🔗 Darker nobody it was similar was in Punch. To the century.
🔗 It's about a family lived in trap him or somewhere and it's just terrible.
🔗 And it has a huge toll will give that to you then
🔗 and a luxury to what you're not actually be.
🔗 I'd have a painting kid so I could learn to paint properly
🔗 and I'd have a critic drive over
🔗 and then review it as it's starting droid has paid to have the color of the color
🔗 and the neon so I'd written but would say bomb right.
🔗 And then I'd be a real artist said No no I died to dig. Grave.
🔗 And nicely at sea right there at sea.
🔗 We'll give you that then
🔗 and which one disc of the ACE would you save if you had to save one criss cross.
🔗 The first one alone is money we should give you crisscross Michael he thank you
🔗 very much for letting us hear Desert Island Discs terrific I'm now up to go under
🔗 the gag about. God knows what I've been focused idea but it's about something.
🔗 Good luck with that. Take a bit.
🔗 The the good the
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